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#23595 closed defect (wontfix)

[PATCH] Expand Ukraine to include Crimea and Sevastopol in boundaries.osm

Reported by: bezdna Owned by: team
Priority: normal Milestone:
Component: Core Version:
Keywords: admin boundaries Ukraine Cc:

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boundaries.osm (2.6 MB ) - added by bezdna 19 months ago.
fixed file

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by bezdna, 19 months ago

Attachment: boundaries.osm added

fixed file

comment:1 by taylor.smock, 19 months ago

Component: Internal presetCore
Keywords: admin boundaries Ukraine added
Resolution: wontfix
Status: newclosed
Summary: need fix Ukraine in boundaries.osm[PATCH] Expand Ukraine to include Crimea and Sevastopol in boundaries.osm

Is the war over? Are Crimea and Sevastopol now controlled by Ukraine? As far as I know, this is not the case. If it is, please point at a reputable source that indicates the following:

  1. The war between Ukraine and Russia is over.
  2. The peace treaty gives Ukraine Crimea and Sevastopol back and country borders are fixed at what they were prior to the Russian invasion.

Quite frankly, if I were to accept a boundary change right now, it would be reducing the size of Ukraine, not enlarging it. Looking at BBC's Ukraine in maps: Tracking the war with Russia, it looks like the situation on the ground has largely stabilized with Ukraine losing (not gaining) a significant chunk of territory. It does not matter what I prefer. What matters is the situation on the ground. I haven't changed any boundaries yet because there is a war going on.

Right now, the reality (no matter what some people would prefer) is that Russia controls Crimea, Sevastopol, and a decent chunk of Ukraine.

Anyway, instructions on how to send us a patch for source:trunk/resources/data/boundaries.osm in the future (maybe when there is a peace treaty):

  1. Enable Expert mode in JOSM
  2. Restart JOSM (this is important)
  3. JOSM Preferences -> Advanced Preferences -> More... -> Edit boundaries
  4. Edit and save normally

So why can't you just load the file into JOSM?
Renumbering of the negative node ids can cause us to have a very large diff. I would strongly prefer to avoid that (it makes it easier to track who changed what and when).

comment:2 by bezdna, 18 months ago

I am correcting boundaries.osm according to the standards and laws that are described in the JOSM documentation pages, so let's follow them and not make any judgments, thanks.

https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Styles/MapCSSImplementation#Territoryselector

"The territories are "tagged" with their ​ISO_3166-1_alpha-2 codes." by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2 Ukraine include Crimea and Sevastopol.

comment:3 by bezdna, 18 months ago

Resolution: wontfix
Status: closedreopened

in reply to:  2 comment:4 by taylor.smock, 18 months ago

Resolution: wontfix
Status: reopenedclosed

Replying to bezdna:

I am correcting boundaries.osm according to the standards and laws that are described in the JOSM documentation pages [...]

Ukraine does not include either of those locations as a practical matter. With that said, the country codes for both are in JOSM (Crimea: UA-43, Sevastopol: UA-40). In the territories file, both have the note Claimed by Ukraine. They are not, however, part of Ukraine territory as a practical (de facto) matter. From the page you linked,

The territories are "tagged" with their ​ISO_3166-1_alpha-2 codes

And the territories are tagged with the proper code. It is just that the de facto country boundaries are different from what the ISO 3166 code for a subdivision would otherwise indicate.

We do have a project-wide standard for the disputed boundaries. See osmwiki:Disputed_territories and osmwiki:Tag:boundary=administrative#Administrative_boundary_in_case_of_dispute. For the "on-the-ground" rule, if something is illegal in Russia, but not Ukraine, would I be arrested in Crimea if I did it? The reverse also applies, if something is illegal in Ukraine, but not Russia, would I be arrested in Crimea if I did it? Note that in both cases, I would have to be arrested in Crimea, not in Moscow or Kiev for actions I performed in Crimea.

[...] not make any judgments, thanks.

I'm not certain what you mean by this. Judgement as to whether or not to apply the patch? If so, then why did you make the ticket and patch?

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