End of speed limit is not displayed

[Tirkon]

Speed limit signs are displayed in JOSM but the end of this limit is not, which is inconsistent. DE:278, DE:282

This causes mappers to incorrectly enter the speed limit tag on roads.

[gaben]

What do you mean by "the end of this limit is not"?

Please describe the use-case or at least the reproduction steps. To me, it's unclear how JOSM should show the end of the speed limit from what is written in the ticket.

[Tirkon]

In Germany, the traffic sign DE:274, which indicates the beginning of a maxspeed section, is displayed by JOSM. But the traffic signs DE:278 and DE:282 which indicate the end of a maxspeed section, are not displayed by JOSM. I only know the relevant german traffic signs. Here is an example of a DE:282 that is not displayed in JOSM:
​https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3985102365#map=18/53.270749/7.498046&layers=D

Here you can find pictures of the traffic signs:

​https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Zeichen_274

​https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Zeichen_278

​https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Zeichen_282

[Tirkon]

Here is an example of a DE:274 that is displayed in JOSM:

​https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4201600075

[gaben]

JOSM aims to be globally universal just like OSM, so I suggest to use a custom mappaint style in this case. Please take a look on the Styles, there is a Traffic Signs_DE preset.

[gaben]

In addition you can also use Styles/Maxspeed.

[Tirkon]

Do I understand you correctly that I should adjust JOSM so that the traffic signs are only shown to me? But that is not the point of the matter. Other people are supposed to see where the signs are, so that they do not change the correct maxspeed mapping on the road line to an incorrect mapping. I myself, or the person who maps the signs, do not need to have them displayed in JOSM. For correct mapping, it does not make sense to only show the signs at the beginning but not those at the end of the maxspeed section.

[stoecker]

According to ​Key:maxspeed the correct tagging for the end sign is "maxspeed=implicit" the given example is missing that.

[stoecker]

In 19576/josm:

support also maxspeed=implicit in addition to maxspeed=none, see #24748

[aceman]

Please fix the typo on ​​https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3985102365 or you will still see no change in JOSM 19576.

[stoecker]

Milestone renamed

[Tirkon]

Many thanks to Dirk and everyone else involved. :-) As a coder who works with machine language and PLCs, I’m not familiar with web- or JOSM-programming.

I'll try: If I understand the Changeset 19576 correctly, the German traffic sign DE:282 cannot be displayed but only this one:
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/browser/josm/trunk/resources/images/presets/vehicle/restriction/maxspeed_none.svg
But that’s not DE:282*; it’s DE:278-60*. Am I correct in understanding that the OSM definition does not allow DE:282 to be displayed in JOSM?

This Youtube Video shows the location in question with DE:282:
​https://youtu.be/cFbqEc8vR7k?si=PrfJtlqBVcMtAvWR&t=58

• ​https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Zeichen_282.svg
• ​https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Zeichen_278-60_-_Ende_der_zul%C3%A4ssigen_H%C3%B6chstgeschwindigkeit,_StVO_2017.svg

[stoecker]

JOSM is an OpenStreetMap editor, not a German OpenStreetMap editor. It will not include country specific display rules in the main style. You can make an own style to display whatever you want, but the standard style usually displays what's useful for the whole world. Thus JOSM only displays the extracted logic of the traffic signs (i.e. the speed information) and not all the sign details which vary allover the world.