Role verification problem with route_marker as member of recreation route

[Filip009]

Please add to Bicycle route preset a route_marker node.

In Slovakia we use it, and is not good when JOSM reports problems with this.
​https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Slovakia/Cycle_routes#Route_markers_examples

You can check if in this node added to relation is used tag bicycle=yes, this is bigger problem.

[skyper]

Despite validator producing this warning the code is in defaultpresets.

Well, documentation of information=route_marker and information=trail_blaze is very little without own wiki pages for the tag.
Has this usage been discussed somewhere?
Can we get it documented first?
Do you have an example and which role do you use? I do not think it is smart to add it without role.

[Filip009]

We have discussed it in Slovak OSM community, but whole thread is in Slovak. We have discussed if these guideposts can be tagged as is shown on the picture. And we have make conclusion, that we will tag it like it is shown in the last picture from which I have edited the osm wiki page for slovak cycleroutes.
​https://groups.google.com/g/osm_sk/c/lKcfMSR9YVM

I mostly use it without role, but when I add a role "guidepost" to it, it is saying me the same error.

[skyper]

Yes, the warning combines roles, type of object and tags on the object. :)
Maybe, an external preset can be used to overwrite the rules but I have not tried this, yet.

I like to have this discussed on a wider audience and appropriate channel. I have no problem with the tagging of these objects but route relations and their members + roles is another story. Personally, I'd prefer a new role marker for all recreation route relations with a proper proposal. One thing to keep in mind is the members count as relations with too many members get hard to handle and are a burden on performance.