Add/ignore popular tags: man_made=courtyard, maxweight:signed, natural=crevasse, oneway:moped, opening_hours:signed, operator:type=public, plant:method=photovoltaic, railway:radio

[Don-vip]

I need help to add (or ignore if we don't want them) recent popular tags into presets:

jenkins/job/JOSM-Integration/lastCompletedBuild/jdk=JDK8/testReport/org.openstreetmap.josm.data.osm/TaginfoTestIT/testCheckPopularTags__/

• building=stilt_house (added r18336)
• craft=grinding_mill - 34201
• healthcare=alternative (ignored)
• healthcare:speciality=general - 19538
• indoor=area - 10145
• leisure=sports_hall - 12251 (#21964)
• man_made=courtyard - 21075
• maxweight:signed=no - 20886 (ignored)
• military=trench - 10804
• natural=crevasse - 36226
• oneway:moped=no - 15649
• opening_hours:signed=no - 14713 (ignored)
• operator:type=public - 188232 (ignored)
• plant:method=photovoltaic - 12060 (#21398)
• product=food - 34176
• railway:radio=gsm-r - 83728 (ignored)
• military=trench - 10168
• surface=unhewn_cobblestone - 10049 (added r18336)
• type=turnlanes:turns - 23990
• vending=parcel_pickup;parcel_mail_in - 10161 (ignored)

I already added or ignored the obvious ones in r18242 / r18245

[skyper]

Oh man, the wiki is just a mess with missing votes on "approved" proposal and lots of wrong information about status of tags.

ignore:

• maxweight:signed (StreetComplete)
• opening_hours:signed (StreetComplete)
• operator:type=public
• railway:radio (in OpenRailway external preset)

include:

• man_made=courtyard
• natural=crevasse
• plant:method

unsure, ignore for now?

• oneway:moped, I also find oneway:psv and oneway:bus but with lower numbers.

Just my 2ct

[skyper]

additionally S:colour: should be added to the ignore list to silence validator see #21336.

[skyper]

I split plant:method off into #21398.

[Don-vip]

In 18250/josm:

see #21396, see #21336 - ignore more tags

[skyper]

Coding the presets for man_made=courtyard and natural=crevasse is no big deal. Once again I have trouble finding nice icons.

[Don-vip]

that's the most difficult part '

[Don-vip]

In 18262/josm:

see #21396 - ignore boundary=historic

[Don-vip]

Milestone renamed

[Don-vip]

In 18245/josm:

see #21396 - add flag:type to flagpole preset ; ignore some other popular tags

[Klumbumbus]

I'm not in favor of natural=crevasse. While the total number is quite high (36k) this is used only on a few spots worldwide, see ​https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=natural&value=crevasse&filter=all#map.
I randomly checked one spot: ​https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1czA There are 2432 ways on this little glacier alone. And with this detailed mapping it is probably highly outdated anyway.
Also the wiki page says it is proposal approved, but on the linked proposal page (​https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/crevasse) was never discussed or voted. It links to the proposal of natural=ridge which is unrelated.
(If added nevertheless one day, a icon is here after 21440#comment:24)

[Klumbumbus]

type=turnlanes:turns

• marked as obsolete on ​https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:type%3Dturnlanes:turns and ​https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/turn_lanes
• numbers don't really grow for the last few years ​https://taghistory.raifer.tech/#relation/type/turnlanes:turns

So I would deprecate it in favor of turn:lanes tags, however we also have the plugin "turnlanes". More opinions?

[Don-vip]

Agreed to ignore those tags.

[skyper]

Thanks for clarifying natural=crevasse. Can we add the unused icon to nodist or have a ticket about natural=crevasse.

Last week, I already wrote a PM to the author of the TurnLanes preset asking about removing it but without answer, so far. Actually, I never took a look at all the plugins about turn:lanes=* but the obsolete relation should not be supported as we have *:lanes=* tagging and the connectivity relations.

[skyper]

Replying to skyper:

Thanks for clarifying natural=crevasse. Can we add the unused icon to nodist or have a ticket about natural=crevasse.

How about NewTags, is it ok or do you have problems with the tag in general?

[Don-vip]

Milestone renamed

[Don-vip]

In 18336/josm:

see #21396 - add building=stilt_house, surface=unhewn_cobblestone / ignore boundary=census, building=outbuilding

[skyper]

vending=parcel_pickup;parcel_mail_in is present in presets with a multiselect including both values. Looks like taginfo and the test are not ready for multiple values.

[Don-vip]

In 18351/josm:

see #21396 - ignore healthcare=alternative

[Don-vip]

In 18356/josm:

see #21396 - ignore vending=parcel_pickup;parcel_mail_in

[stoecker]

Milestone renamed

[skyper]

Replying to Klumbumbus:

I'm not in favor of natural=crevasse. While the total number is quite high (36k) this is used only on a few spots worldwide, see ​https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=natural&value=crevasse&filter=all#map.
I randomly checked one spot: ​https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1czA There are 2432 ways on this little glacier alone. And with this detailed mapping it is probably highly outdated anyway.
Also the wiki page says it is proposal approved, but on the linked proposal page (​https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/crevasse) was never discussed or voted. It links to the proposal of natural=ridge which is unrelated.
(If added nevertheless one day, a icon is here after 21440#comment:24)

Ignore it for now.

Replying to Klumbumbus:

type=turnlanes:turns

• marked as obsolete on ​https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:type%3Dturnlanes:turns and ​https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/turn_lanes
• numbers don't really grow for the last few years ​https://taghistory.raifer.tech/#relation/type/turnlanes:turns

So I would deprecate it in favor of turn:lanes tags, however we also have the plugin "turnlanes". More opinions?

Replying to skyper:

Last week, I already wrote a PM to the author of the TurnLanes preset asking about removing it but without answer, so far. Actually, I never took a look at all the plugins about turn:lanes=* but the obsolete relation should not be supported as we have *:lanes=* tagging and the connectivity relations.

I never got an answer. The user did not make any changes on OSM the last two years, though.
+1 for deprecating the plugin.
Do we need warning about the obsolete relations or is ignoring the tag enough?

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Meanwhile, there are more tags, I have updated the list in the description.

• healthcare:speciality=general
• indoor=area

Should be ignored.

• craft=grinding_mill should be added to the external craft preset and ignored in core
• product=* should be added to the man_made=work presets but so far only foot and charcoal have high numbers (20k+). The rest has only up to 3k uses and the values on the wiki are not significantly the ones with wiki pages. So I am not sure which ones to add besides food (​taginfo

[Hufkratzer]

Regarding leisure=sports_hall:

I think it should be added to the menu Sports/Sport Facilities. It is not approved but was discussed a lot, see its ​wiki talk page.

The preset should a have field to select the sport(s) for which the sports_hall is used (like sports_centre has).

iD has a ​preset for this tag with name "Gymnasium". This name is probably a bit unfortunate because the tag is not specifically for what you typically call a gymnasium but can also be used for other halls (e.g. tennis halls, climbing halls, riding halls), compare this ​summary. Maybe you prefer to give it some other name.

sports_hall could also be added to the presets for some sports (e.g. tennis, climbing, equestrian, swimming, handball, ...), although I must say that there are not too many uses of these combinations yet (274 leisure=sports_hall + sport=tennis is the most frequent one).

Edit / addition
leisure=sports_hall + sport=multi is the most frequent combination with 4888 uses.

[skyper]

@Hufkratzer:
I think there are no objections regarding leisure=sports_hall. The major task is to find a suitable svg icon with different colors and enough contrast.

[Hufkratzer]

Proposal 1 for sports_hall icon

[skyper]

I've created #21964 for leisure=sports_hall.