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#9158 closed enhancement (wontfix)

add bicycle=dismount to standard preset

Reported by: mkoniecz Owned by: team
Priority: normal Milestone:
Component: Internal preset Version:
Keywords: Cc:

Description (last modified by Don-vip)

Ok for revert but this is not blocking sorry.

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comment:1 Changed 5 years ago by skyper

There is no wiki page and I only find it under Bicycle.

At least in Germany this sign is unofficial and either it is a path with only foot=designated where you are allowed to push your bicycle or it is a path with bicycle=yes/designated where your are allowed to ride your bike.

comment:2 Changed 5 years ago by Don-vip

Component: CoreInternal preset
Type: defectenhancement

comment:3 Changed 5 years ago by Don-vip

Used 22k times and in several countries (at least UK, Germany, Czech Republic):
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cyclist_dismount_signs

-> OK

comment:4 Changed 5 years ago by Don-vip

Resolution: fixed
Status: newclosed

In 6297/josm:

fix #9158 - add bicycle=dismount to internal preset

comment:5 Changed 5 years ago by skyper

I still do not like it and it makes only sense to me at nodes with barriers, where you can push your bike but not ride. As I already said at least in Germany this sign is unofficial and is not backed up by law.

Did you check if this tag was introduced by an import ?

comment:6 in reply to:  3 Changed 5 years ago by skyper

Replying to Don-vip:

Used 22k times

Yeah, and 14790 times in combination with highway=footway which implies vehicle=no, e.g.completely useless and I will always delete this non-sense tag.

comment:7 Changed 5 years ago by skyper

Resolution: fixed
Status: closedreopened

Ok, the discussion on tagging@osm seems to manifest that bicycle=dismount is not the tag we need/want here.

Please revert r6297 for now and we hopefully get a decision on a better tag within a week or two.

comment:8 in reply to:  7 Changed 5 years ago by skyper

Replying to skyper:

Ok, the discussion on tagging@osm seems to manifest that bicycle=dismount is not the tag we need/want here.

Please revert r6297 for now and we hopefully get a decision on a better tag within a week or two.

It is clear that bicycle=dismount does not work and that an new tag like pushing_bicycle=yes/no is needed as bicycle=* is only about cycling and not about pushing bikes.

Once more please revert r6297. - Thanks

comment:9 Changed 5 years ago by skyper

Priority: normalblocker

Release blocker, please revert before release.

comment:10 Changed 5 years ago by Don-vip

Description: modified (diff)
Priority: blockernormal

comment:11 Changed 5 years ago by Don-vip

OK for revert but this is not blocking

comment:12 in reply to:  11 Changed 5 years ago by skyper

Replying to Don-vip:

OK for revert but this is not blocking

Well, I miss release blocker. Sure it is only a simple revert and no "real" issue.

comment:13 Changed 5 years ago by Don-vip

Blocker means you can't use a major function :) I'll revert this tonight

comment:14 Changed 5 years ago by mrwojo

FYI, this ticket was linked from the tagging list: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2013-October/015447.html

comment:15 Changed 5 years ago by Don-vip

In 6345/josm:

see #9158 - revert r6297

comment:16 Changed 5 years ago by skyper

Resolution: wontfix
Status: reopenedclosed

Guess this is a "wontfix" now.

comment:17 Changed 5 years ago by poutnikl

what is then recommended way to mark bridging few meters not allowed to ride,
instead of a kilometer long alternative way ?

As marking it as free riding is not proper either.
BTW bicycling - as opposite to cars - is about pushing bikes as well, e.g. off road or on tracks

comment:18 Changed 5 years ago by anonymous

not allowed or able by physical state.

comment:19 in reply to:  17 Changed 5 years ago by skyper

Replying to poutnikl:

what is then recommended way to mark bridging few meters not allowed to ride,
instead of a kilometer long alternative way ?

Somethimg like bicycle_pushing=no

As marking it as free riding is not proper either.
BTW bicycling - as opposite to cars - is about pushing bikes as well, e.g. off road or on tracks

I do not know where you map but in most parts of the world you are considered a pedestrian when pushing a bicycle and have to oblige the rules for pedestrians.

comment:20 Changed 4 years ago by miklcct

There is a sign called "cycling restriction" listed in http://www.td.gov.hk/mini_site/cic/en/cycling-infrastructure/signs-and-markings/useful-signs.html in Hong Kong. This tag is exactly for that purpose. It is used to mark a section of cycleway which you must "get off the bike" to proceed.

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