Untagged nodes now appear as tagged nodes

[Ldp]

Since 2722, untagged nodes show up the same as tagged nodes previously did. That is, as a hollow square. This means a map of untagged nodes now shows up as a sea of large yellow dots, instead of the small dots they had before.

If I tag a node, it appears even larger than a tagged node did before.

[stoecker]

(In [2725]) close #4279 - use previous node size defaults

[Ldp]

It hasn't helped. Tried it with 2725*, with and without preferences file, so the latter one with a plain JOSM. I still have the hollow node appearance.

• ant clean build

[malenki]

The commit-comment in ​http://josm.openstreetmap.de/changeset/2725/ is "close #4279 - use previous node size defaults"

Comparing Josm 2721 to 2725 shows that the latter displays tagged and empty nodes not in the same way 2721 does.

[malenki]

Josm 2725 (big nodes)

[malenki]

Josm 2721 (small nodes)

[malenki]

(see also: ​http://josm.openstreetmap.de/changeset/2722/ )

[stoecker]

The current setup is a solution which works on small and large screens. You can change them yourself. Go to advanced settings and search for node and size.

[malenki]

Is this what "pulling a Drepper" describes, is it?
"Go on, all Josm users and change your advanced settings if you want the old behaviour back."

Thank you so very much.

[stoecker]

Sorry, but we can't make every individual happy. We have 20 year old mappers as well as 70 year old mappers. The previous default (which was inconsistent and needed a fix) was much too less for a 70 year old an a recent screen resolution. Details of the software change, this is normal behaviour. If you don't accept changes and if you don't want to accept the possibility to change it for yourself, then don't update the software!

EVERY user finds that HIS settings are the best and should be standard. This is usually not true. I doubt most users want to change the dot size, so this will remain a hidden option. For you this seems important so go to advanced settings and change it there. But stop blaming others for having different opinions.

[malenki]

You write

I doubt most users want to change the dot size

but you don't doubt they want others changing the dot size for them?

I don't think I am the only person with the opinion expressed above. More exactly: I know this.

[Ldp]

As this is a major appearance change to most users, then at least put it up on the MOTD, with hints on how to change back.

You cite 70 year old mappers (or mappers in general with bad eye sight and high resolution screens) as the reason for making the nodes appear larger. Fair enough. Let me make another observation, as a person that's reasonable well trained to spot deviations from patterns. Previously, the distinction between tagged and untagged nodes was an open (hollowed) appearance, vs a closed dot. Now they're all open, but only vary slightly in size, which is harder to spot. Could you give some thought on keeping the open vs closed dot appearance, at least as a configurable option?