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Opened 7 weeks ago

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#23601 new enhancement

Warn about incorrectly connected highway with man_made=bridge or man_made=tunnel and different layer values

Reported by: skyper Owned by: team
Priority: normal Milestone:
Component: Core validator Version:
Keywords: layer connected highway man_made bridge tunnel Cc:

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Copied from 9304#comment:21:

In the German forum a different (but real world) case regarding man_made=bridge was mentioned:
https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/bruckenproblem-oder-doch-nicht/111282

Copied from 9304#comment:26:

Well, highways should only start or end at the node sharing with the man_made=bridge and the highway on the bridge (inside the area) should have the same layer value.

Same is true for man_made=tunnel.

So we have two cases:

  • A highway sharing a middle node with a man_made bridge or tunnel seems to be an error in most (all) cases.
  • A highway sharing a start or end node with man_made bridge or tunnel and inside the area of the man_made needs the identical layer=* and a bridge=* resp. tunnel=* (not value no)

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George Washington bridge and surroundings

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comment:1 by GerdP, 7 weeks ago

As a start I'll collect test cases so that we agree about what should be flagged.

comment:2 by GerdP, 7 weeks ago

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Status: newassigned

by GerdP, 7 weeks ago

Attachment: GWB.osm.bz2 added

George Washington bridge and surroundings

comment:3 by GerdP, 7 weeks ago

Looking at the George Washington Bridge https://www.osm.org/way/392759062 I see a lot of highways inside the area but with different layer. I see four layers from -1 to 2. According to the wiki about man_made=bridge " the key layer=* should now contain the lowest number of all the features on the bridge", so according to this those highways should have layers from 1 to 4 or maybe fever different levels.
The big question is: How can we compute that a feature is on the bridge and not below or maybe even above on a different higher bridge?

What about those ways completely inside the man_made=bridge area which are not connected to it like https://www.osm.org/way/8028081.
The test has to find out if this way can be below the bridge or not.
See e.g. this cycleway: https://www.osm.org/way/1145222866
It is not connected to the man_made=bridge but to a way inside which is still on layer 0: https://www.osm.org/way/46593261
Only when I follow that way to way 46593991 I can be rather sure that the previous ways are on the bridge.

Another point not mentioned in the ticket: What about missing connections? If we can detects (parts of) ways to be on the bridge we could also flag ways like https://www.osm.org/way/124083386 as it is not connected to the man_made=bridge way (and not split at that connection point).

If we implement this test I wonder what the warning messages could be. I don't like the idea that someone starts to change all kinds of layer tags or possibly corrupts routing where maybe only the man_made=bridge object is wrong.

comment:4 by GerdP, 6 weeks ago

Owner: changed from GerdP to team
Status: assignednew

I thought about this for a while and I have no idea how to implement a test for this with less than maybe 100 lines and in my eyes that's for sure too much complex code for a minor problem like this. Complex bridges like the George Washington Bridge or Köhlbrandbrücke in Hamburg https://www.osm.org/way/536703976 are connected to many objects and I've no clue how to maintain white lists here.
I'd rather close this a wontfix.

comment:5 by skyper, 5 weeks ago

Ok, lets step back and have a look at some simple and obvious cases. Maybe some could be even written in MapCSS.

  • a high-, rail-, waterway way which crosses completely or crosses at one side and has start/end node sharing with an area man_made=bridge or man_made=tunnel:
    • with one node in common
      • should share non or two nodes
    • with more than one node in common and different layer=* (including one without the key)
      • either both objects should have the identical value or they should not share nodes
  • a high-, rail-, waterway way which shares both start and end node with an area man_made=bridge or man_made=tunnel (and is inside the area) should have the identical layer value.

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