#20300 new enhancement

problem with Crossing railways validation

Reported by:	mkoniecz	Owned by:	team
Priority:	normal	Milestone:
Component:	Core validator	Version:
Keywords:	template_report	Cc:

Description (last modified by mkoniecz)

What steps will reproduce the problem?

encounter track ballast areas tagged as natural=scree
retag blatant tagging for renderer to new tag railway=track_ballast
run validator

What is the expected result?

No complaints

What happens instead?

Crossing railways warning where railway=rail crosses railway=track_ballast areas

Please provide any additional information below. Attach a screenshot if possible.

See for example https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/450353255#map=18/52.38562/16.90637&layers=N

Yes, it is a completely brand-new tag. Should I switch to man_made=track_ballast or is it possible to get special-casing despite it is brand new tag and quite absurd one?

triggered by https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2473001

Relative:URL: ^/trunk
Repository:UUID: 0c6e7542-c601-0410-84e7-c038aed88b3b
Last:Changed Date: 2020-12-23 08:02:18 +0100 (Wed, 23 Dec 2020)
Revision:17425
Build-Date:2020-12-24 02:30:53
URL:https://josm.openstreetmap.de/svn/trunk

Identification: JOSM/1.5 (17425 en_GB) Linux Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS
Memory Usage: 1513 MB / 3974 MB (341 MB allocated, but free)
Java version: 11.0.9.1+1-Ubuntu-0ubuntu1.20.04, Ubuntu, OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM
Look and Feel: javax.swing.plaf.metal.MetalLookAndFeel
Screen: :0.0 1920×1080 (scaling 1.00×1.00)
Maximum Screen Size: 1920×1080
Best cursor sizes: 16×16→16×16, 32×32→32×32
Desktop environment: LXQt
Java package: openjdk-11-jre:amd64-11.0.9.1+1-0ubuntu1~20.04
Java ATK Wrapper package: libatk-wrapper-java:all-0.37.1-1
Environment variable LANG: en_GB.UTF-8
libcommons-logging-java: libcommons-logging-java:all-1.2-2
fonts-noto: fonts-noto:-
Dataset consistency test: No problems found

Last errors/warnings:
- 00009.191 W: java.net.NoRouteToHostException: No route to host (Host unreachable)
- 00009.192 W: Failed to read MOTD. Exception was: java.net.NoRouteToHostException: No route to host (Host unreachable): java.net.NoRouteToHostException: No route to host (Host unreachable)
- 00542.837 W: javax.net.ssl.SSLException: Socket closed. Cause: javax.net.ssl.SSLException: Socket closed. Cause: java.net.SocketException: Socket closed
- 00542.839 E: javax.net.ssl.SSLException: Socket closed. Cause: javax.net.ssl.SSLException: Socket closed. Cause: java.net.SocketException: Socket closed
- 02914.252 W: Conflict in data - <html>This relation has been changed outside of the editor.<br>You cannot apply your changes and continue editing.<br><br>Do you want to create a conflict and close the editor?</html>
- 02916.708 W: Unsaved changes - <html>The relation has been changed.<br><br>Do you want to save your changes?</html>
- 03070.351 E: Error header: Version mismatch: Provided 5, server had: 6 of Relation 8878407
- 03070.507 E: Conflicts detected - <html>Uploading <strong>failed</strong> because the server has a newer version of one<br>of your nodes, ways, or relations.<br>The conflict is caused by the <strong>relation</strong> with id <strong>8 878 407</strong>,<br>the server has version 6, your version is 5.<br><br>Click <strong>Synchronise relation 8 878 407 only</strong> to synchronise the conflicting primitive only.<br>Click <strong>Synchronise entire dataset</strong> to synchronise the entire local dataset with the server.<br>Click <strong>Cancel</strong> to abort and continue editing.<br></html>

Change History (9)

comment:1 by mkoniecz, 4 years ago

Description:	modified (diff)

comment:2 by mkoniecz, 4 years ago

I can make patch and/or wiki proposal for that tag if that would help

Last edited 4 years ago by mkoniecz (previous) (diff)

comment:3 by mkoniecz, 4 years ago

Description:	modified (diff)

comment:4 by GerdP, 4 years ago

I think this bugtracker is not the right place to discuss new tags. It doesn't even appear in Taginfo yet.

comment:5 by mkoniecz, 4 years ago

I do not expect or want support in presets - I just wonder what is needed to get rule in validator that would remove this false positive.

Some usage? That will be just about 500 objects ( https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/11A7 )

Active proposal? Accepted proposal? OSM wiki page documenting this tag?

I am not planning to map more of THAT, I just want to retag what was mapped into something that is not a blatant tagging for renderer.

And if railway=track_ballast is doomed to trigger validation warnings, then I will retag it into track_ballast=yes or man_made=track_ballast or something similar to avoid it.

Last edited 4 years ago by mkoniecz (previous) (diff)

comment:6 by GerdP, 4 years ago

I have no idea what exactly the tag means, I only know landuse=railway for the area next to rails.

comment:7 by mkoniecz, 4 years ago

Someone mapped areas with track ballast ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_ballast ), using natural=scree (tagging for the renderer).

I tried to look for suitable tag for that, but noone tagged it (except https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/surface=track_ballast https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/surface=ballast that would trigger vaidator complaint anyway).

So I tried using railway=track_ballast that caused crossing railways warning where railway=rail (and probably also railway=tram etc) crosses railway=track_ballast areas.

comment:8 by skyper, 4 years ago

How about landcover=track_ballast? For surface=* you need one primary tag and I do not like the idea of mixing infrastructure and these areas. area:railway=* might be another alternative.

comment:9 by mkoniecz, 4 years ago

landcover is burdened by association with some poorly handled deprecation proposals and poorly handled organized mapping and I really prefer to avoid using it for that reasons.

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