Opened 3 months ago

Closed 2 months ago

#15725 closed enhancement (fixed)

Remove location=kiosk from possible values for power substation's location=*

Reported by: francois.lacombe Owned by: francois.lacombe
Priority: normal Milestone: 18.01
Component: Internal preset Version:
Keywords: power, location, kiosk Cc:



Due to recent discussion about power substations hosted in cabinet, tagging has been updated to use man_made=street_cabinet + street_cabinet=power instead of location=kiosk.

Can you please remove this value 'kiosk' from the list for location=key used in power substation preset please?

Since a power street cabinet preset already exists, this is not necessary to add anything else.

Thanks in advance

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Change History (11)

comment:1 Changed 3 months ago by Don-vip

Component: CoreInternal preset
Keywords: presets removed
Milestone: 18.01

comment:2 Changed 3 months ago by Don-vip

Owner: changed from team to francois.lacombe
Status: newneedinfo

There are more than 8000 occurences of location=kiosk, are you going to replace them all? Or is the key still used for other power features?

comment:3 Changed 3 months ago by francois.lacombe

They will be carefully replaced in next months.

location=kiosk isn't a recommended value anymore.
It was used only on transformers and substation before man_made=street_cabinet was introduced.

comment:4 Changed 3 months ago by mkoniecz

I think that in this case it is better to remove it from presets once usage is lower.

comment:5 Changed 3 months ago by francois.lacombe

How would it be lower if users still see it in presets ?

It would even need a validation rule encouraging users to move location=kiosk to man_made=street_cabinet.

comment:6 Changed 3 months ago by anonymous

How would it be lower if users still see it in presets ?

Retagging existing entries?

comment:7 in reply to:  6 Changed 3 months ago by francois.lacombe

Replying to anonyme:

Retagging existing entries?

Sure, but if it's still in presets, some other mappers will continue to add objects with location=kiosk
Then, if we retag existing ones, new ones won't stop to appear :(

comment:8 Changed 3 months ago by Klumbumbus

I think location=kiosk is used for transformers or substations like this or this. Those which you can enter like a "real" kiosk. This contradicts the definition of man_made=street_cabinet "A street cabinet [...] being of a size or contruction that workers cannot enter themselves. Thus it is an opposite of technical buildings where humans can walk inside."

comment:9 Changed 3 months ago by francois.lacombe

Hi Klumbumbus,

I got the idea, but your examples are mapped with building=yes
Location=kiosk was used to map such things : where no one can get in. It's exactly the same as street cabinets.
See the examples here :
If kiosk wasn't the right term for enclosures where no technician can enter, street_cabinet is surely better.

It's true that both location=kiosk and man_made=street_cabinet apply to substations and transformers. Difference between both is a substation got one or several transformers inside among other devices like switches.

comment:10 Changed 2 months ago by Don-vip

For reference, location=kiosk is used with:

  • 6970 power=substation
  • 1051 power=transformer

comment:11 Changed 2 months ago by Don-vip

Resolution: fixed
Status: needinfoclosed

In 13286/josm:

fix #15725 - remove location=kiosk from default power presets

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