Remove location=kiosk from possible values for power substation's location=*

[francois.lacombe]

Hi,

Due to recent discussion about power substations hosted in cabinet, tagging has been updated to use man_made=street_cabinet + street_cabinet=power instead of location=kiosk.
​https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets

Can you please remove this value 'kiosk' from the list for location=key used in power substation preset please?

Since a power street cabinet preset already exists, this is not necessary to add anything else.

Thanks in advance

[Don-vip]

There are more than 8000 occurences of location=kiosk, are you going to replace them all? Or is the key still used for other power features?

[francois.lacombe]

They will be carefully replaced in next months.

location=kiosk isn't a recommended value anymore.
It was used only on transformers and substation before man_made=street_cabinet was introduced.

[mkoniecz]

I think that in this case it is better to remove it from presets once usage is lower.

[francois.lacombe]

How would it be lower if users still see it in presets ?

It would even need a validation rule encouraging users to move location=kiosk to man_made=street_cabinet.

[anonymous]

How would it be lower if users still see it in presets ?

Retagging existing entries?

[francois.lacombe]

Replying to anonyme:

Retagging existing entries?

Sure, but if it's still in presets, some other mappers will continue to add objects with location=kiosk
Then, if we retag existing ones, new ones won't stop to appear :(

[Klumbumbus]

I think location=kiosk is used for transformers or substations like ​this or ​this. Those which you can enter like a ​"real" kiosk. This contradicts the definition of man_made=street_cabinet "A street cabinet [...] being of a size or contruction that workers cannot enter themselves. Thus it is an opposite of technical buildings where humans can walk inside."

[francois.lacombe]

Hi Klumbumbus,

I got the idea, but your examples are mapped with building=yes
Location=kiosk was used to map such things : ​https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg where no one can get in. It's exactly the same as street cabinets.
See the examples here : ​https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples
If kiosk wasn't the right term for enclosures where no technician can enter, street_cabinet is surely better.

It's true that both location=kiosk and man_made=street_cabinet apply to substations and transformers. Difference between both is a substation got one or several transformers inside among other devices like switches.

[Don-vip]

For reference, location=kiosk is used with:

• 6970 power=substation
• 1051 power=transformer

[Don-vip]

In 13286/josm:

fix #15725 - remove location=kiosk from default power presets