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Closed 6 days ago

#14221 closed defect (wontfix)

Replace office=notary with office=lawyer + lawyer=notary in presets

Reported by: Zverikk Owned by: team
Priority: normal Milestone:
Component: Internal preset Version: latest
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Description

Currently lawyer=notary appears 1013 times on the planet, and office=notary appears on 130 objects less, and that's with a year's help of a JOSM preset.

The value was added in r9011. That probably comes out of the list at wiki, to which it was added on 5.03.2014 by CMartin for some unknown reason. From 28.09.2014 up to 19.10.2016 that list stated that the notary office is better described with office=lawyer tag. In October the page switched to taglists, and the warning got lost.

All considered, I think it would be better to use office=lawyer combination for notary offices. Could you please replace the tags? Thanks.

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comment:1 Changed 7 weeks ago by Don-vip

Milestone: 17.01

comment:2 Changed 7 weeks ago by naoliv

At least in Brazil, notaries aren't lawyers.
office=notary really isn't office=lawyer + lawyer=notary here

comment:3 Changed 7 weeks ago by Zverikk

Well, river banks are not waterways and tree rows are seldom natural. The ticket is not about tagging but about uniformity. The variant with office=lawyer has been in use for longer and was the preferred method until the last October.

comment:4 Changed 7 weeks ago by Klumbumbus

Both variants are in nearly equal use. So I think this should be better discussed in a proposal and on tagging mailing list (and not here in the JOSM trac), if both variants are ok, or if only one should be used.

My point of view: Both facilities are pretty different, so I would't tag a notary with office=lawyer. Using a second tag to correct the first tag is not a good tagging schema.

(In germany some notaries are also lawyers, but some are only notaries.)


See also http://taghistory.raifer.tech/ (database is not up to date, it is from late August 2016!)

comment:5 in reply to:  description Changed 7 weeks ago by Klumbumbus

Replying to Zverikk:

From 28.09.2014 up to 19.10.2016 that list stated that the notary office is better described with office=lawyer tag.

the warning

That's not quite right. There was only a link: "See office=lawyer above." without a comment if office=lawyer is better/a replacement/an alternative/similar...

comment:6 in reply to:  4 ; Changed 7 weeks ago by Zverikk

Replying to Klumbumbus:

Both variants are in nearly equal use.

Of course, after it was added to JOSM presets, users didn't check the wiki and just used it. So lawyer:office went from 3:1 to nearly 1:1 in a year, as the tag history graph shows (thanks for the link).

So basically there was a documented way of tagging since May 2010, then somebody added an alternative tag office=notary without any discussion in 2012, which somehow got into JOSM presets instead of the first one. And now you suggest for me to defend the older and more popular tag in the mailing list.

If the facilities are different, then maybe we should have both variants in the presets?

comment:7 in reply to:  6 Changed 6 weeks ago by Klumbumbus

Replying to Zverikk:

And now you suggest for me to defend the older and more popular tag in the mailing list.

I didn't suggest this. I said that "this should be better discussed in a proposal and on tagging mailing list (and not here in the JOSM trac)" as this is as question of tagging and not of the josm preset. Once the tagging is clear we can adjust the josm preset. (Both variants were already in use at the time the office tags were added to the josm presets.)

If the facilities are different, then maybe we should have both variants in the presets?

The different facilities are lawyer and notary and for these there are already office=lawyer and office=notary in the presets. The tag lawyer=notary is not in the presets, however this tag is in my opinion not good as said above.

comment:8 Changed 4 weeks ago by Don-vip

Milestone: 17.0117.02

comment:9 Changed 6 days ago by Klumbumbus

Milestone: 17.02
Resolution: wontfix
Status: newclosed

wontfix for now. the tagging must be clarified by the community first.

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