presets: merge "Towers" and "Communication Towers"

[skyper]

We have two new presets:

• Towers
• Communication Towers

They seem to have much in commen and there are some objects already in both. So I propose to merge these two presets.

[iav]

Generaly I just want to add one type to Jens Winbladh preset, but can't do it until xml hosted in wiki.

[skyper]

I did try to merge them. Please, have a look at the attachment.

I am too tired to publish and we should remove the other two presets in advance.

[skyper]

merged Tower preset

[iav]

I propose to change name="Transmitter (steel mast)" to "Antenna (steel mast)".

And add lightning tower:

                <item name="Lighting tower" dk.name="Forsvars tårn" ru.name="Осветительная вышка" icon="com_tower.png" type="node,closedway">
                        <link href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made=tower"/>
                        <label text="Lighting tower" dk.name="Forsvars tårn" ru.name="Осветительная вышка" />
                        <key key="man_made" value="tower"/>
                        <key key="tower:type" value="lighting"/>
                        <text key="name" text="Name" dk.text="Navn" default="" delete_if_empty="true"/>
                        <space/>
                        <text key="ref" text="Ref" dk.text="Ref" default="" delete_if_empty="true"/>
                        <space/>
                        <text key="operator" text="Operator" dk.text="Operatør" default="" delete_if_empty="true"/>
                        <text key="height" text="Height" dk.text="Højde" default="" delete_if_empty="true"/>
                </item>

[skyper]

Replying to iav:

I propose to change name="Transmitter (steel mast)" to "Antenna (steel mast)".

+1

And add lightning tower:

Sorry, I did remove it as I did not find it in the wiki and was not sure about the differences to a lighthouse.

The key technology should be changed into a "multiselection" instead of a "combo"

[iav]

Lighting towers that not a lighthouses:
​http://www.shayanbargh.com/images/DecoraviteLight/stadium-light-03.JPG
​http://www.shayanbargh.com/images/DecoraviteLight/high_mast_tower_light3.jpg
Good landmarks.

​http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/tower:type#values
currently 603 usage, but I suppose they will be much more if they be included into the presets

[skyper]

Replying to iav:

Lighting towers that not a lighthouses:
​http://www.shayanbargh.com/images/DecoraviteLight/stadium-light-03.JPG
​http://www.shayanbargh.com/images/DecoraviteLight/high_mast_tower_light3.jpg
Good landmarks.

These are no lightning towers !

Maybe light towers but probably man_made=mast is better suited or ​lamp or even ​highway=street_lamp

​This is about a lightning tower, but introducing this type of tower we definitely need a tag for small ones (e.g. no towers!), too.

Have a look at ​https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_rod.

​http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/tower:type#values
currently 603 usage, but I suppose they will be much more if they be included into the presets

We need to change them if needed !

[iav]

You are right, light towers, not lightning. Sorry, just my bad english knowledge.

But we need to differentiate highway light poles (not landmarks), and much higher masts or poles placed at stadiums and industrial areas - where they are landmarks, and, often, the one landmarks for a huge territory

Sure it's not a highway=lamps, at least because there no highway. But what it should be exactly?
I simply choose a man_made=tower, because it seems to me as good fit to ​http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made=tower, and have some 100's usages.

[skyper]

Replying to iav:

You are right, light towers, not lightning. Sorry, just my bad english knowledge.

Please, fix your preset and have a look at the so far tagged objects. Maybe some other user is using your preset.

But we need to differentiate highway light poles (not landmarks), and much higher masts or poles placed at stadiums and industrial areas - where they are landmarks, and, often, the one landmarks for a huge territory

+1

Sure it's not a highway=lamps, at least because there no highway. But what it should be exactly?
I simply choose a man_made=tower, because it seems to me as good fit to ​http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made=tower, and have some 100's usages.

Did not think these are towers but masts, something like this:

man_made=mast
mast:type=light
light:type=*
light:colour=*

came to my mind.

The more I read + think about it the less am sure about this issue.

• First, we need to define tower, mast and antenna.
  • As far as I understand wikipedia in English all free-standing structures are towers. Masts are tied with some guy wire/rope what we use antenna for, where as antenna would be only the part that is actually transmitting and/or receiving. This can lead that we have a communication tower with an observation deck with restaurant and on top a mast with several antennas for different types of communication. Have a look at ​Partially_guyed_tower.

As am also not a native speaker the best is probably to open a thread at tagging@.

[Don-vip]

Ticket #7954 has been marked as a duplicate of this ticket.

[skyper]

Despite the two external presets, the major tags like man_made=antenna/mast/pole deserve a place in the internal presets.

[skyper]

Maybe, it is time to include tower and mast with more details in defaultpresets. See #10759 for mast.

[skyper]

I added a complete preset for all kind of masts and towers, see Presets/MastAndTower (@geozeisig: Thanks for the icons).

Think we can deprecate the other two external presets. Opinions ?!

[skyper]

@Dirk:
Are there any numbers about external tagging presets' popularity?

[stoecker]

Replying to skyper:

@Dirk:
Are there any numbers about external tagging presets' popularity?

No. We only have a tracking for (activated) maps and plugins.

[Klumbumbus]

Mast, tower and communication tower are now in the internal preset and we have the new combined external preset from skyper too. Lets remove the two old external presets mentioned in the ticket description in 3 months.

[Klumbumbus]

Here are the two presets as zip for archiving. I'll delete the two pages tomorrow.