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#20429 closed enhancement (fixed)

Add "climbing:grade:french*" grades 3/4

Reported by: overflorian Owned by: Don-vip
Priority: normal Milestone: 21.02
Component: Internal preset Version:
Keywords: climbing grade french Cc:

Description

Hi,
The validation tool of JOSM should allow ALL the french climbing grades for the following tags:

  • climbing:grade:french
  • climbing:grade:french:min
  • climbing:grade:french:max
  • climbing:grade:french:mean

All the grades are listed in this table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_(climbing)#Free_climbing_2
Here is the full list: 1;2;3;4a;4b;4c;5a;5b;5c;6a;6a+;6b;6b+;6c;6c+;7a;7a+;7b;7b+;7c;7c+;8a;8a+;8b;8b+;8c;8c+;9a;9a+;9b;9b+;9c

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comment:1 Changed 2 months ago by Don-vip

Component: Core validatorInternal preset
Keywords: climbing grade french added; #climbing #grade removed
Type: defectenhancement

1;2;3 really? :D Everyone knows the scales starts at 4 :D

Version 0, edited 2 months ago by Don-vip (next)

comment:2 Changed 2 months ago by Don-vip

When I added the grades in r14591/#16525 I used the French table instead:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotation_en_escalade#Table_de_comparaison

It doesn't make the distinction between different levels of 4. It matches with my own climbing experience.

I also excluded 1-2-3. Are these grades really used outside? I only though of them as purely theoretical.

comment:3 Changed 2 months ago by Don-vip

French Wikipedia states:

La cotation 1 correspond à un sentier escarpé tandis que la cotation 2 correspond à une progression en marchant avec éventuellement les mains pour s'équilibrer ou négocier le terrain (une corde est rarement nécessaire). En plus des mains pour s'équilibrer, la cotation 3 peut nécessiter, en complément des jambes, une traction des bras pour progresser.

Not really "climbing" to me...

comment:4 Changed 2 months ago by overflorian

Thanks for your reply.
I understand your concern and, from my own climbing experience, I never ever encountered a 1 or 2 grade. Grade 3 is mostly the "children area", which could make sense.
I used it with the "climbing:grade:french:min" tag here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/437303399 since there is actually a 3c grade route at this spot cf. https://www.camptocamp.org/waypoints/102840/fr/viaduc-des-fauvettes
Therefore we should add the 3 grade, and maybe 3c too.
Nevertheless I understand if you think that 3c doesn't really make sense, but I still encountered it.

comment:5 Changed 2 months ago by Don-vip

Milestone: 21.01
Owner: changed from team to Don-vip
Status: newassigned

OK to add grade 3 (+variants) and 4 variants as they exist in the real world (thanks for the link) and are used in OSM db: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/climbing%3Agrade%3Afrench%3Amin#values

We both agree that grade 1/2 are pointless :)

Last edited 2 months ago by Don-vip (previous) (diff)

comment:6 Changed 2 months ago by Don-vip

Summary: Change parameters of "climbing:grade:french" validationAdd "climbing:grade:french*" grades 3/4

comment:7 Changed 2 months ago by overflorian

That sounds good to me. Thanks Don-vip.

comment:8 Changed 2 months ago by Don-vip

Resolution: fixed
Status: assignedclosed

In 17479/josm:

fix #20429 - add climbing grades 3/4

comment:9 Changed 2 months ago by stoecker

Milestone: 21.0121.02

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