conflict management too complicated and misleading

[dieterdreist]

it's been some time that I have been using conflict management, but it seems that current state is somehow broken.

1. I edited a way by adding oneway-property and deleted "created by potlatch"-tag
2. downloaded the same area. I got a conflict, where my version of "created by" was "<undefined><undefined>" (because I deleted the tag, but could be something more vocal like "tag deleted") I wonder why I got into conflict management, as there should be normally no conflict (afaik nobody else edited the same area in these 4 minutes)

additionally there was an almost cryptical window for resolving node conflicts. I get lots of node-numbers and should arrange them into an order (as far as I understood it). But orders are just for ways, not for nodes? The window was screwed up, so I could read all of it (even on resize, please see screenshot).

[Gubaer]

Can't reproduce.

I downloaded the Via dell'Elettronica (within zoom level 16), removed created_by, added oneway=yes.

• Downloaded again - everything is fine, no conflicts.
• Updated data - everything is fine, no conflicts.
• Only updated Via dell'Elettronica - everything is fine - no conflict.

But orders are just for ways, not for nodes?

Yes, Via dell'Elettronica is a way, isn't it?

Something in your local dataset looks strange. Your Via dell'Elettronica has four nodes, but the server version never has more than three.

And Via dell'Elettronica you got from the server seems to have two nodes, but the latest version on the server has three.

Did you notice the Help button in the dialog? There? you can find a description on how to resolve conflicts in the list of nodes of a way.

BTW: what JOSM version are you working with?

[dieterdreist]

Hi,

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for the node issue: yes, the via dell'Elettronica is of course a road, but the possibility to rearrange nodes for a way manually seems still strange to me. I bet that you don't need this in 99,9% of the cases, still you have to deal with it on every conflict?

Maybe the conflict arose, because I deleted the created by potlatch-tag? I noted that JOSM does this also automatically. I was editing for some hours without any further problem, so maybe that was just bad luck ( ;-) )?

I also noticed that the hidden menu-items (see screenshot) became visible by changing the _width_ of the dialogue (still strange, because it is a height issue).

Don't know how I got 4 nodes, I guess they are not all from the same road? I tried to take all of my versions (this was much easier before) but somehow mixed up the order. I could resolve by changing the way order (at least I think I resolved).

[Gubaer]

I bet that you don't need this in 99,9% of the cases, still you have to deal with it on every conflict?

No, you don't have to, only if the conflict is caused by differences in the list of nodes. And for some reason (I don't understand yet, why) you got a conflict in the list of nodes. But if there is a conflict in the list of nodes a way is made up there is not other option than to resolve it manually and this means rearranging the nodes.

Can you still reproduce the problem or did it disappear?

[dieterdreist]

Replying to Gubaer:

Can you still reproduce the problem or did it disappear?

disappeared...

[dieterdreist]

There is some problems with conflict management:

1. if you cancel upload of even small datasets you'll get hundreds of conflicts to solve that consist mainly of created-by tags beeing removed. There is no way to do this for all errors (like: treat all tag conflicts of this kind the same, that is: use their version (undefined/undefined)), so it take lots of time to solve these unnecessary conflicts.

2. The solve nodes conflicts-manager is not working as it should, because:

2.1 there is no button to take the complete list of nodes in their order ("copy all nodes"), you can do this by selecting all nodes, but it is not obvious (usability) 2.2 there is several buttons: "copy this node and put it at the beginning", "copy this node before the first" (is exactly the same), "copy this node after the first", "copy this node to the end". It would IMHO be better to have the button: to the beginning, to the end, after the last, before the last, where the last is not the end of the list, but the last entry. 2.3 at the end of half an hour conflict management work I still couldn't upload because resolved node-conflicts (Freeze->resolve) remain in the conflict list: even though all conflicts were marked as resolved I got a conflict error. I got the solution: had to select again each of them, click on unfreeze, then again on freeze, then again resolve, and here we go. 2.4 There is no key map for the meaning of the colours. Additionally with a monochrome display or partly disabled (poor red-green hue discrimination) you can not deal with conflicts. 2.5 some nodes and ways were duplicated (had different IDs, probably this is more a problem with incomplete upload then with conflict management)

3. basically there should be more possibilities to solve similar conflicts (same kind of tag-conflict) with one click, instead of solving them one by one.

[skyper]

The 3. point would be a big enhancement.